If you have an 8th grader coming out of 6A/6B successfully, I’d suggest doing Principles of Mathematics Book 2 next. We are homeschooling for the first time this year. What to do there depends on what he doesn’t like about them. I know, all the different options can feel very overwhelming. What have you used so far? Use whatever technique best suits your child’s learning style–RS games, my Facts That Stick books, apps, flash cards–but give him consistent practice at recalling the facts quickly, separately from the RS lessons. I looked at the website, but it’s pretty generally, and basically lets me know that it’s Common Core aligned, etc. The Singaporean curriculum, which the country’s Ministry of Education created, generally focuses on fewer topics but in greater depth. After the first quarter of 2nd grade though, I felt that there just wasn’t enough practice with math facts, and I decided to switch to RightStart Level B. While he has progressed through the program with good scores, he has always been painfully slow. The other benefit of it is that the author offers it in topical units, so it’s easy to use to fill in gaps. I feel like I’ve let my kids down in this area of learning and wish I could go back in time to when they were young and make more time for their learning but here we are doing it late, better late than never but a bit lost where to start. I guess we have the UNDERSTANDING that Right Start is so strong at promoting (and which we highly value), but we haven’t actually translated that into the facts being effectively memorized/mastered. The performance of students who have studied math the Singapore way is impressive. I’ll still with Singapore for my older two at this time, with plans to get my oldest into Beast Academy. Starting in third or fourth grade, I think the textbook is perfectly sufficient for most kids. As I’ve seen him approach different curricula, I’ve learned that he’s a very social learner who likes to figure things out for himself. I loved listening to your interview on The Morning Basket. Singapore and Saxon math are very different options. Why? I will have the summer to catch up so I’m wondering if I’ll need to introduce anything like division or more fractions? The pattern of errors matters a lot more than the overall score, so I’d take a close look at what kinds of problems he struggled with to try to analyze what was going on. I hope this helps! You are here: Home › CM Educating › kindergarten › math › saxon math vs singapore math. This would help your student firm up any needed skills, … To take the tedium out of your daily lessons, allow your son to use a multiplication chart when he’s working problems that require a lot of multiplication and division. The Singapore books are like you're playing. Ascent Classical Academy of Douglas County, Pineapple Cove Classical Academy of Palm Bay, Pineapple Cove Classical Academy of West Melbourne, Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS), Quick Tips for Classical Education at Home: Math – The Classical Classroom, How Bar Modeling Makes Word Problems Easy in Singapore Math – The Classical Classroom, Treating Students with Respect: Jordan Adams’s Remarks at the White House Conference on American History. Thanks so much! we tried Saxon but it was very difficult always trying to find more work because they only gave a few problems with that lesson and then suddenly jumped to another. My daughters started homeschooling last year in grades 3 and 5. You’ve been using a more traditional math curriculum and would like to explore using a conceptual curriculum. Others can complete the entire upper math sequence of Saxon and still need algebra in college. Ooh, your oldest sounds like he will love Beast Academy–and RightStart sounds like a great fit for your little guy! Plus, you have to learn how to teach the new curriculum and become familiar with any distinctive features of the program. He entered k loving math, doing 3rd -5th grade work. Saxon Math 5/4 through Calculus Saxon Math Intermediate Series Saxon Math K-3 Saxon Math Teacher Computer CD's ShillerMath Singapore Math/Primary Mathematics Sonlight Math Comparison Chart Teaching Textbooks: Math 3 through Pre-Calculus All three are excellent programs, and mixing up what I’ve used each year has allowed me to adjust my math instruction as his needs have changed each year. Do you have any advice for me? The difficulty level? Sometimes, computer-based instruction just makes things too easy for kids, unfortunately. Kate, Math is a real-life tool that points us to God and helps us explore His creation, yet it often comes across as dry facts and meaningless rules. I will have a 4th grader and 5th grader as well as one in pre-k. The ideal of 3-seconds per math fact is a long ways away. Sorry, I’m so all over the place, it’s just soo confusing ???? of English, Singapore Math Homeschool Math Comparison Review Saxon Math \u0026 Teaching Textbooks REVIEW \u0026 COMPARISON | Homeschool Our Page 5/13. Math Mammoth gives simple easy to understand instructions and the mastery approach means my son has a chance to get a good grasp before moving on to new lessons. You have already taught this math curriculum to your first several children and you just can’t handle going through the same book a fourth (or fifth…or sixth…) time. (Either for your child or you!). First, RightStart gave him an excellent foundation in number concepts. Hi Kate, thanks for your advice! The repetition in Saxon didn't really help her understand anything, it just gave her practice in executing algorithms. Make sure to consider how much time and effort you’re investing in teaching well, and how hard your child is working to understand and practice the math. My youngest claimed to love math but didn’t have a good foundation from public school, math for her seemed all over the place. You’ll be fine starting Singapore in books 3 and 4 (especially since you’ve used the placement tests to find the correct book for each child). Sounds like your 4th and 5th grader would love Beast Academy! So, even though your older child would be technically “behind”, she wouldn’t be very far below typical grade level skills, and she’d develop a much better foundation for mastering the rest of elementary math. Early editions were deprecated for providing very few opportunities to practice the new material before plunging into a review of all previous material. The Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS) is an international test that measures the achievement of 4th and 8th grade students in mathematics. I’ve used it as a supplemental resource for both child 2 and 3. Much of the reason that Saxon feels “dry” is that it incorporates huge amounts of review into the lessons. In this article, I’ll help you weigh the pros and cons of switching math programs and show you how to make your curriculum switch a success. I just ordered your Addition Math Facts that Stick book, and I think working with a ten-frame will help her a lot. Teaching Textbooks works well for some families, but some find that their child learns to match the instructional patterns without really understanding the math. Will Saxon math fit this criteria? Switching curriculum has a learning curve for both the parent and child. I am shocked by her mastery of number sense and mental math. He’s also my hands on kids who lives games, so from your curriculum reviews I think he is a good candidate for this program. Parents of students who are new to classical schools know that Singapore math is unlike any math curriculum they’re used to. I have often heard teachers wish that the Singapore curriculum were easier for teachers to use. If I purchase your math book, will it walk me through how to use the program? Thanks! He really doesn’t have much independence with it comes to math. Hardcover $132.27 $ 132. On the Common Core website, a section on myths about the standards says “international benchmarking played a significant role in both sets of standards.” A 2012 study by William Schmidt and Richard Houang, education researchers at Michigan State University, seems to confirm this. So far math has honestly been the first subject we will cut in a day if we run out of time because we hate it and I don’t feel like they really understand why they are doing what they are doing (place value has not even been mentioned!) My concern is that if we aren’t getting through either curriculum this year, that would make him fall behind. My biggest concern for you would be the amount of time you’d have to spend on direct instruction on math if you teach 3 levels of RightStart. He hasn’t had much trouble with RightStart – occasionally he gets the mental math problems wrong as we begin the lesson but that is more him trying to go too fast. Not sure how much she understood, but she loves to read! I just discovered your page and your reviews are so helpful and straightforward! First, a little history: Singapore Math originated in Singapore public schools in the 1980s and has since grown in popularity throughout the world. Learning is incremental and each new concept is continu-ously reviewed, so the learning has time to “sink Saxon Math vs. Singapore Math for Elementary GradesBeetlejuice vs Gary the Retard 7 into 28 Hypoxia EduBuster: US vs Asian method (Math Multiplication) Area Model Multiplication vs Old School Method (Common Core Math) Ideas for Teaching Sight Words New Year, New Homeschool With her, I only do about a third of a page per day, we do lots of them out loud, and others we do on the whiteboard to mix things up. To start, Singapore Math is designed to complement the natural development of a child’s mathematical knowledge. I started my first on Saxon and we both hated it for the constant repetition and it's sooooo dry. I know, I’m spinning from all the options! I switched my kids go Mfle and it’s been pretty good, but like you said, some things they need more practice. my oldest). Hello- we’re just looking to start homeschooling in the fall. Trying to decide whether to change your homeschool math curriculum? Hmm,I don’t believe a curriculum exists that fits all the criteria you’re looking for. We still use the blocks heavily and love them, but my kids were bored with all the worksheets and they like color in their work pages. What do you think? I’m leaning towards the Singapore math programs. You can learn more about it here. Do you know anything about this program and whether it’s worth a try or not? It will also help prevent him from completely hating math. What makes it so different, and why is Singapore math so popular in homeschooling circles and classical schools? Then imagine taking the same problem to a student who already knows 6 times 4, 4 times 3, 3 times 4, and so on because he’s memorized his math facts. We used Waldorf-inspired curriculum for Kindy and 1st grade (Lavender’s Blue and Christopherus), and my daughter did really well with that approach, including grasping “the four processes” really quickly. Each year builds upon previous learning with the same exercises and directions making it easy for older learners to work independently. I was wondering if maybe Teaching Textbooks would work. I understand it is spiral which is different from the mastery style of Rod & Staff. We used TT because it seemed simple to transition to from public school. The Singapore Math curriculum fits well with a classical education model because it is structured to match the learning patterns of children and aims for excellence as children move toward further growth and application. (My Facts That Stick books lay out a progression for this, but RS games generally progress this way, too. Finally, switching curriculum has also helped me to learn more about how my son learns best. My oldest hates math and this started as early as grade 2 however she is a gifted kid in most ways but struggles with math as she is slow at it. Singapore math takes a very different approach than the standard textbooks found in most American public schools, and the results are impressive. I looked at the placement test for Beast Academy 2A, and I think she will pass it easily, once she knows the addition facts. Here’s the link to my full Math Mammoth review. The characters and story do a great job of communicating the concepts, and RS games will be perfect for consolidating or reviewing key skills. He seemed to find great satisfaction in finishing the worksheets, but didn’t have a lot of patience for most of the suggested teaching tips at the bottom of the page. In order to smooth out the transition between 2A and 3A, students are now introduced to basic bar models in 2A. I’m hoping you can help me with my dilemma for this year, and I apologize ahead of time for the rather lengthy post. But we can’t seem to make much headway with Saxon because the lessons are SO long and we are both bored to tears. Do you have any experience with Right Start NOT being a good fit for actually mastering the math facts? As we reach 3rd grade, it got complicated for both of us, and this was the first time, we did not finish the book (thank you by the way for the awesome article about not finishing the math book!). Even though Singapore does have periodic reviews, we recommend that teachers spread those out into their lessons so that the teachers aren’t committing too much class time to working through the review sections. Your child is bored and not challenged enough. The only manipulatives you need for it are everyday household items. Saxon math, developed by John Saxon, is a teaching method for incremental learning of mathematics. The school she may attend used the Bridges math curriculum. Some people do Saxon and then are so intuitive with math that they still do well in the end. 27. I read on the WTM forum that you switched after some of level C was completed. Math became a way of thinking for them, not a tiresome or repetitive exercise. I’m trying to find a math curriculum that fits our needs and wants. I have referred to your website often and appreciate all you do to help with math. Why does Singapore math work so well? And I have a few questions if you have time . Just because you’ve used a certain math curriculum in the past doesn’t mean you have to stick with it forever. My pre-schooler (birthday in September, so will officially start kindergarten this year) was really ready for kindergarten last year, so I did Singapore Math Essentials with him. Within the larger curriculum of Singapore Math, Dimensions Math retains all of the same core traits, but includes several features that make teaching Singapore math easier on the teacher and student. Because each program has its own distinctive emphases and teaching methods, I’ve been able to add some new techniques to my teaching repertoire every time I use a new program. for a multitude of reasons, which I’m listing in no particular order: Before switching, make sure to pause to pinpoint what exactly isn’t working for you and your child. Hi! Thank you so much for your email and support! The review is a bit more spread out than in Singapore, with “warm-up questions” at the beginning of each lesson that provide some review. My son will finish RightStart C this year, and I have thoughts to change curriculum next year for the follow reasons (but I’m still unsure). No worries about him getting behind, either. The formatting isn’t pretty, but the content is excellent! (And keep the abacus and place-value cards handy–they’re a great add-on to Math Mammoth.). She has done well though and is a very independant learned. One that I can be confident at the end of the day knowing they are getting a great math education, and we accomplished what we needed to for that day. Singapore is a great program overall, but this is definitely one of its weaknesses. I’ve got to switch her program., and am considering Math Mammoth. Even the best curriculum isn’t effective without focused effort and good attitudes from both student and teacher. Oof, that must make multi-digit multiplication a real pain. There are also written assessments and some review embedded in the worksheets in the higher levels. At school they used Go Math but pulled him out for many math classes. I truly do believe that math is full of truth and beauty, and that shouldn’t be all drudgery–but there are parts of learning it that just take some perseverance and hard work. Khan Academy is another online (and free!) Glad you enjoyed the podcast, Sarah! We’ve started at home with math drills he’s gotten rusty with, which has brought back some confidence. This kit contains the manipulatives you'll need for introducing and reinforcing the math concepts taught in the Saxon Mathematics K-3 program. I bought Right Start off a friend and it happens to be a perfect fit for my son and his personality (sociable, enjoys hands-on stuff). We're homeschooling 'officially' this year; it will be her Kindergarten year chronologically but she's placing closer to 2nd & 3rd grade in various disciplines. Are you familiar with it? Melissa. It would take forever! Plus, it’s scripted, so you don’t have to come up with your own words for explaining and asking questions. Singapore Math® (Grades K - 12) Program Goal: Singapore Math promotes mastery of mathematics through a consistent and strong emphasis on problem solving and model drawing, along with a focus on in-depth understanding of essential math concepts and skills. Now, from Beast, I am learning how to let my son struggle and persevere through difficult problems. Were they were mostly in topics that Rod and Staff hasn’t covered yet (for example, graphing or geometry)? The other criticism of Singapore math is that it doesn’t use “spiraling” as well as Saxon math, another curriculum popular in classical schools. I do think many children will need more practice than the program includes (especially with the math facts, but also with other computations), so just be prepared to add a little more practice if you find your kids are having trouble. This topic has 1 reply, 2 voices, and was last updated 8 years, 8 months ago by suzukimom. When a “warm up” facts practice sheet takes at least 30 minutes…it really kills the joy. If you send us a note, we’ll pass them along. We are about halfway through Level B now. She is my hands on kid. We did a free trial of BA Online, and she really liked the characters and the visual aspect. They just started grades 6 and 4 now. Between 1995 and 2015, Singaporean 8th grade students ranked first in the world 4 times in mathematics, and never finished lower than third. When we did the online placement testing it seems like we would need to start one in 3 and one in 4 they just didn’t do well on the 4/5 tests. If you go that route, definitely keep a close eye on your children’s progress and level of understanding. You’ll learn a lot from your first year of homeschooling, both about yourself as a teacher and your son as a learner. The MM chapter intros are a treasure trove of teaching hints that will help with this. With the Singapore method, each math problem is part of a growing framework of knowledge and students are able to put what they are learning into context. I think mixing in some basic review with Beast Academy would work just fine, and it would probably give your boys a great mix of deep thinking and rote practice. Saxon Math: 8/7 with Prealgebra, Student Edition 3rd Edition. This is the one program I have not questioned or regretted as a first time homeschooling mom. The performance of 4th grade students was similar. I’ve considered math mammoth 7, but then it ends so i’d need to find a new curriculum again. I have personally used several: Saxon, Bob Jones, Life of Fred, and Singapore. She understands place value perfectly. Kate, thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question. option that works along the same lines. Thanks! Then, Singapore helped him transition from hands-on math activities to written work and reading a textbook. Thank you SO much for all of the time and heart you’ve put into your reviews. I keep telling myself that the beauty of Homeschooling is they get to be on whatever level they need to be on so I think I would rather her be behind and really grasp math then to continue to do something that is obviously not working. After he finished Essentials, I started him on Primary 1A, insisting on taking plenty of time and not rushing through the worksheets. A glimpse inside a network of classical charter schools across the country. I’m always right there working with him and helping him along, and I would like him to develop a little more time where he can work on his own and think and struggle without me there to always help him along (he hasn’t really developed this skill to work and think by himself). Students who were previously anxious about math homework were doing it just as they’d do anything else, and they were quick to solve complicated word problems in their heads. The Singapore curriculum also teaches students to use mental math, which enables them to solve more complicated problems quickly. For my Preschool Math at Home, it walks you through exactly how to teach each activity (and also helps you understand how each one builds on the previous activity). Singapore does use spiraling from year to year, but it does not spiral old material into new lessons during the year well. This is the series put out by master books for junior high onward starting in grade 7. We always start well and then peter out a few weeks or so in. The team at the Barney Charter School Initiative has put together some math exercises for just this purpose. I taught my 5 year old son A while teaching her B this past year and it was a lot of one on one time. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. RightStart is definitely much more open-and-go than Singapore. Another advantage of switching math programs is how much I learn each time I use a new curriculum. It may feel like “cheating,” but it will allow him to continue to make good progress in his conceptual understanding and higher-level skills. She grasps concepts really quickly…super fast!…but it is quite difficult for her to memorize math facts, and her enthusiasm for math is waning…I think mainly because she misses the stories. To make the transition as smooth as possible, make sure you spend some time with the program before trying to teach your first lesson. When I was in school we skipped around all over the place, and with switching teachers and switching curricula, it was easy to get lost. My daughter LOVES the RightStart games, but she really misses the story aspect of Waldorf math..and she misses doing the other procedures (subtraction, multiplication, and division), because early level math facts are all taught together with Waldorf. Both your children could start Level A together, so you’d only have to teach one lesson per day. Both are somewhat “advanced” curriculum, and you’re giving him a fantastic foundation with the drill and practice so he can thoroughly enjoy the beauty and interesting non-routine parts of math that Beast offer him. Thanks so much! It seems to be a bit intense but I’m really wanting to challenge them and raise strong learners. You gave us great advice about Singapore Math, and we’ve loved it this year! It’s a program that’s always intrigued me, but I’ve never taken a close look at it. Singapore chooses a few strategies that work, which allows students to focus on the math itself, rather than all of the procedures that could be used. Hi Kate, I’m wondering if you mean Principles of Mathematics? Either of those would be a great next book after RightStart C. The best way to check for gaps to have your son take the placement test for whichever program you choose later this spring. Last year, as we reach 4th grade, we used Rod and Staff, it gave us consistency and we completed the book; However, I became concern once we tried a few placement test for other math curriculums (Saxon, Singapore, Beast Academy), and my child tested at least two grades behind! It involves teaching a new mathematical concept every day and constantly reviewing old concepts. I think I just needed a “go ahead” from another mom that I wasn’t making a completely absurd decision. I have a 3rd grader that has tested 99% for math ability, but distraction impacts his learning. Imagine trying to multiply two three digit numbers in your head using just finger-counting. (For Singapore, you’d want to have him take the 2B test and see how he does. Classical Education Tips for First-Time Homeschooling Parents, How Bar Modeling Makes Word Problems Easy in Singapore Math. Hi, Kate, I was trying to answer my own question without bothering you, but alas, I need advice. You can always have him do some of the page orally or enlarge them. Saxon Math: We started with Saxon 1st grade in Kindergarten for both Aidan and Gresham (I think that Saxon runs slightly behind). I wonder if Math Mammoth would be a good fit for you, perhaps with continuing to read Life of Fred as a supplement. Carrie, I think you’ll be just fine switching to Math Mammoth at this point. Stefanie, so glad you’re finding the reviews helpful, and that RS is a good fit for your son. Any thoughts on this? Though that is not out yet. I appreciate your articles on math, especially Right Start, which I’ve been using. While Singapore does emphasize mental math, the curriculum does not place a strong emphasis on the development of automaticity through drilling. The Well-Trained Mind is the guide that millions of parents trust to help them create the best possible education for their child. Students who were previously anxious about math homework were doing it just as they’d do anything else, and they were quick to solve complicated word problems in their heads. Over the years, Singapore Math has created several different editions of the Primary Mathematics books used so successfully in Singaporean schools in the late ’90’s. She’s at a point where math should take some time and focused attention each day, and she just might not like having to do the work! […], […] To help teachers and parents understand Singapore math, I’ve been writing about how although it can seem difficult at first, it’s actually a common-sense approach to mathematics that really gets results. A teacher or parent looking at Singapore math will see a focus on core techniques like place value, bar modeling, and number bonds rather than teaching students to use lots of different strategies to solve a problem. The math teacher in me is very curious about those placement tests! Kate. First of all, Singapore 1A does move VERY fast through the addition facts, and the explanations and strategies that it offers are often too abstract for first graders. We have done Singapore, MUS (bored by videos), Christian Light. We’re at 6 seconds per fact in addition, 8.6 seconds for subtraction, and a whopping 20 seconds for multiplication. There are number of different ways to approach any math problem, but focusing one all of them can be overwhelming. But I’m wondering if there would be any gaps going from finishing RightStart C to Singapore or BA? Now, Beast Academy provides interesting problems, builds his problem-solving perseverance, and feeds his curiosity about numbers. It turns out that there is a logical order in which things should be taught, and that is particularly true in mathematics. Sounds like a perfect mix for your kiddo, Melissa! My 7 year old also loves worksheets and was always excited for the assessments. 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